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btbb99
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« on: July 10, 2010, 02:40:40 PM »

Just curious as to who you guys prefer to be in this famous matchup, i used to think it was pretty much dead even but the more i play mk2 the more i would rather have scorpion, agree or disagree?
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« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2010, 03:23:47 PM »

I personally prefer scorpion in this one, but sub does well against scorp. It all really depends on personal preference. Some say scorp is "leaps and bounds" better than sub, but you have to look at all their capabilities and punishment opportunities. If sub plays a turtle game and doesn't throw much ice, it gives scorp a headache. It really is all about who is the better player imo.
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« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2010, 09:48:44 PM »

I think scorpion has a slight edge in this matchup. Even though scorpion has the better turtle strategy with teleport punch & spear mix-ups + air throw, you can never underestimate the power of the sweep n' ground freeze! When you think about it, sub-zero has the better close range game because of it. He can bait the spear, sweep n' g.freeze, uppercut....repeat! It's definitely an advantage that real_talk would exploit to the max! If played right, the matchup could even favor sub-zero, but I kinda agree with Foozer when he said that it kinda just depends on who has more skill.
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« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2010, 09:07:25 AM »

I think Scorpion has the advantage and a distance but close range you have to go with Sub. Only because of the ground freeze. I prefer Scorpion. When I have him and people have Sub. I feel pretty comfortable. Vice versa if they have Scorpion. It just knowing what to do and when if you really think about it.
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« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2010, 09:20:52 AM »

Ill take Sub Zero in this match up. Hands down.
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« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2010, 10:38:18 AM »

Unless you're a genius with sub, scorp still has a slight advantage close up. His cross over jump game is insane because of the airthrow. Think of how kensi and fusion play with scorpion, keeping you just enough in range that they can either sweep the shit out of you or mix it up.

I'm not a pro on this matchup; I have trouble with it from either side. The best way to beat a really good scorp, even if your sub is average, is to back scorpion up. It sounds impossible as fuck, but all it takes is one blocked teleport and you're in business.  Don't panic when he's close to you and don't curl up (unless you're a master of turtling). Also, random uppercuts are you best friend.  Grin
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« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2010, 12:12:14 AM »

I think Scorpion has the advantage and a distance but close range you have to go with Sub. Only because of the ground freeze. I prefer Scorpion. When I have him and people have Sub. I feel pretty comfortable. Vice versa if they have Scorpion. It just knowing what to do and when if you really think about it.


sub has the edge in projectiles by alot, you have to be really sneaky against sub as a scorpion player because you cant afford to get hit by ice attempting a spear or tripped onto a puddle. Because being behind that much against any smart sub player is an uphill battle.

you just gotta play smart and scorp will win all day. Its funny about 2 months ago when this site started I asked the same thing and I said sub would win. Foozer tho said nah nah, ill take scorp all day.(im paraphrasing haha) and as Ive gotten better I have to agree with him. Scorpion just has more options then sub zero, if you really know his teleport it can put you basically anywhere you want and you can just go to work on sub players, as long as you dont get tripped you can almost always avoid his puddle with the teleport idk its just personal preference but I like scorp in this one.
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« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2010, 12:23:30 AM »

^^^^^^^^^^^^

IM wayyy bias tho. I dont like sub zero much at all,  I feel like he is wayyyy over played and I rarely see good ones online thier mostly just scrubby players who wanna do his inf. freeze if they win.

Honestly tho I have alot of respect for good sub players because sub in my opinion is the ultimate thinking mans character. To win with him consistently you have to out think your opponent and keep them off balanced. Thats the name of the game with him. His ice allows for tons of mix-ups and creativity and I dig that. Im just not good with him.

Reptile as well being invisible is sooo much fun, I love fucking with people when your invisible.

I see raiden this way too altho he has more offensive options then sub/rep. But good raiden players can really get nasty and it becomes very tough to figure them out.
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« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2010, 01:14:59 AM »

i would love to see kensi'e scorp vs fusion's sub. i would pay if i had to lol. 50 matches, settle this debate once and for all.
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« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2010, 08:21:42 AM »

i would love to see kensi'e scorp vs fusion's sub. i would pay if i had to lol. 50 matches, settle this debate once and for all.
That wouldn't prove who the better character is, only who the best player is.
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« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2010, 01:55:25 PM »

so in your mind foozer what would be the way you could decide this? i thought this would be the way because it's the best player with each character. for instance we all no lui kang is leaps and bounds of a better character than reptile, scorpangel has the best lui, fusion has the best rep (in my opinion) so if they were to play my money would be on scorpangel, not because he's a better mk2 player, because lui is wayyyy better than rep.
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« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2010, 03:18:31 PM »

Bt, all that has already been decided. There are a few tier lists out there (few that I have agreed with), and people constantly argue about it. The only way to know for yourself what the true tier list is to study all the match-ups and decide for yourself from your own personal experience through many, many hours of play-time. Here is what I think the tier list is:

1. Mileena
2. Jax
3. Liu Kang
4. Kitana
5. Kung Lao
6. Shang
7. Raiden
8. Johnny Cage
9. Baraka
10. Scorpion
11. Sub Zero
12. Reptile

But here is the catch: at top-level play, numbers 4-12 can basically go back and fourth with each other, yet they can't touch numbers 1-3. Also, something interesting I noticed about the ninjas and the top 3 is that each of the top 3 has a ninja that they completely destroy, and one that gives them a little bit of a tough time:

Jax destroys Sub-Zero.
Jax has a bit of difficulty against Scorpion.

Mileena anihilates Reptile.
Mileena has a bit of trouble with Scorpion.

Liu Kang rapes Scorpion.
Liu Kang has a bit of a hassle with Reptile.

Again, this is only based on TOP play.
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« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2011, 06:47:32 AM »

i posted the same at the top i belive it would be a great match they look like brothers im not sure if they are but i perfer zero
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« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2011, 07:05:10 PM »

i think raiden should be higher and kitana should be lower... thats my 2 cents
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