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« on: July 12, 2010, 02:24:26 PM »

I thought it would be a cool idea to have an official raw mk2 tier list for mk2. if everyone were to post their personal tier list maybe we could get an average out of that and have an official raw mk2 tier list. so post muthafuckers and lets get get this official tier list. i'll start with mine.
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« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2010, 02:26:54 PM »

1.JAX
2.LUI KANG
3.MILEENA
4.KITANA
5.SHANG TSUNG
6.KUNG LAO
7.SCORPION
8.RAIDEN
9.JOHNNY CAGE
10.SUB ZERO
11.BARAKA
12.REPTILE
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« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2010, 03:20:13 PM »

1. Mileena
2. Jax
3. Liu Kang
4. Kitana
5. Kung Lao
6. Shang
7. Raiden
8. Johnny Cage
9. Baraka
10. Scorpion
11. Sub Zero
12. Reptile

But here is the catch: at top-level play, numbers 4-12 can basically go back and fourth with each other, yet they can't touch numbers 1-3. Also, something interesting I noticed about the ninjas and the top 3 is that each of the top 3 has a ninja that they completely destroy, and one that gives them a little bit of a tough time:

Jax destroys Sub-Zero.
Jax has a bit of difficulty against Scorpion. EDIT* Jax has all 3 ninjas on lock-down because of their weak jump kicks. They simply can't touch him.

Mileena anihilates Reptile.
Mileena has a bit of trouble with Scorpion.

Liu Kang rapes Scorpion.
Liu Kang has a bit of a hassle with Reptile.

Again, this is only based on TOP play.
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« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2010, 04:35:11 PM »

Nice Foozer you used my list Wink thx buuuuuuuddddyy!!!!
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« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2010, 04:39:27 PM »

Nice Foozer you used my list Wink thx buuuuuuuddddyy!!!!
Yeah dude! I took a tier list that one of those clowns on classicmk wrote... dubson or scheiss or someone. I just got done reading it, they say jax is #1 and mileena is #3... lol. Anyway, in that tier list I got from there, scorp was somewhere in the middle. I really wanted scorp somewhat high on the list, but I would consider the matchup between him and the person below him, and I kept having to bump him down. Every popular tier list has baraka as either #11 or #12, but I do think that baraka overpowers scorpion. All scorpion has is a turtle game, no closeup game whatsoever unless you wanna count cross-ups, which are easily counterable. So in conclusion, IMO scorp is better than sub, but not by much at ALL.

As far as Baraka goes, I think he has a slight edge over all 3 ninjas. His sweeps alone leave the ninjas balled up crouching, then you're free to come in and either do jab pressure or his up-close kick combo. If they jump back? Place a well distanced jump-kick that they can't roundhouse.
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« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2010, 05:06:50 PM »

1. Mileena
2. Jax
3. Liu Kang
4. Kitana
5. Kung Lao
6. Shang
7. Raiden
8. Johnny Cage
9. Baraka
10. Scorpion
11. Sub Zero
12. Reptile

But here is the catch: at top-level play, numbers 4-12 can basically go back and fourth with each other, yet they can't touch numbers 1-3. Also, something interesting I noticed about the ninjas and the top 3 is that each of the top 3 has a ninja that they completely destroy, and one that gives them a little bit of a tough time:

Jax destroys Sub-Zero.
Jax has a bit of difficulty against Scorpion.

Mileena anihilates Reptile.
Mileena has a bit of trouble with Scorpion.

Liu Kang rapes Scorpion.
Liu Kang has a bit of a hassle with Reptile.

Again, this is only based on TOP play.

The tier lists are supposed to be based on equally skilled opponents. If opponents aren't equally matched, tier lists seem pretty inaccurate. About the 3 Ninjas thing, Liu Kang definitely gives scorpion a hard time, but a hard time against reptile? As for mileena and jax, assuming an equally skilled matchup - that is to say, equally skilled with their respective characters - they'd smash any character in the game. Scorpion's turtle game has nothing on well-timed GP. Jax played correctly destroys any character in the game except mileena and liu kang easily.
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« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2010, 05:27:21 PM »


you can call them clowns and i'm pretty sure your calling me a clown too because i agree with that but i don't care. jax is still number 1 in my opinion, a perfectly played lui not only beats mileena in my opinion but he might destroy her. mileena has nothing on lui, if a top flight mileena goes against top flight lui, what can she do? if he blocks her roll or teleport she will get punished severely for it, round might be over if you playing scorpangel lol, 3 bike kicks to the face lol, he can low fireball all day until she jumps then gets uppercutted, her sais do not do much at all against lui. i don't think this matchup is all that close imo.... and foozer you really think reptile gives kang problems? i was shocked when i read that because i don't see how?
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« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2010, 05:42:49 PM »

The tier lists are supposed to be based on equally skilled opponents. If opponents aren't equally matched, tier lists seem pretty inaccurate. About the 3 Ninjas thing, Liu Kang definitely gives scorpion a hard time, but a hard time against reptile? As for mileena and jax, assuming an equally skilled matchup - that is to say, equally skilled with their respective characters - they'd smash any character in the game. Scorpion's turtle game has nothing on well-timed GP. Jax played correctly destroys any character in the game except mileena and liu kang easily.
I knew I would get shit for writing that lol. DVD, I don't mean that scorp would beat jax, I just meant that for having so many characters in between them in the tier list, scorp gives jax a little bit of a harder time than he should because of his ability to stay in the air longer than the other 2 ninjas. Jax rapes scorp as well, but rapes sub and reptile even harder.

Reptile messes liu up by throwing well-timed force balls mixed up with acid spits and slides after low fireballs.

As with scorpion and mileena go, a well timed teleport can stop mileena sai spam short on her tracks. A blocked roll can cause her to lose 50% health with the HP, tele, spear, uppercut combo.

Btbb: I don't think you're a clown, but if you think jax is #1, liu is #2 and mileena is #3, that just means you haven't experimented with the top 3 character match-ups enough. And if you don't believe me that reptile CAN be a threat to liu, ask fusion. I am in no way gloating about this, but the few amount of times I have been able to beat scorpangel's liu, the majority has been with reptile.
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« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2010, 05:53:59 PM »

everyone has their opinion foozer, that's mine and i'm sticking to it.  i would really like to see more people post on this shit, it seems like it's just a convo between the 2 of us lol. where the fuck is everybody?lol
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« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2010, 05:57:31 PM »


you can call them clowns and i'm pretty sure your calling me a clown too because i agree with that but i don't care. jax is still number 1 in my opinion, a perfectly played lui not only beats mileena in my opinion but he might destroy her. mileena has nothing on lui, if a top flight mileena goes against top flight lui, what can she do? if he blocks her roll or teleport she will get punished severely for it, round might be over if you playing scorpangel lol, 3 bike kicks to the face lol, he can low fireball all day until she jumps then gets uppercutted, her sais do not do much at all against lui. i don't think this matchup is all that close imo.... and foozer you really think reptile gives kang problems? i was shocked when i read that because i don't see how?

I see what you're saying bt, but you might be underestimating mileena a little bit. Her jab pressure and sweeps alone are enough to give kang a hard time in close quarters. I used to main mileena, and this is how I would get wins in against kang. Bicycle kicks and flying kicks get punished too (albeit, not as badly)
As for low fireball, mileena's crouching LK ducks under them cleanly. Before you know it, mileena gets in liu's face after about 3 or 4 low fireballs, in a perfect position to apply jab pressure and sweeps.
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« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2010, 09:58:21 AM »

These tier lists will always be different depending on whose playing. If you ask most people who play the game with a overall strategy of each character and not favor one character like scorpangel or bucktown ( so dont ask them lol) most players in these match ups will prefer one character over the other......

EXAMPLE#1: Mileena vs Lui Kang  ( ill take Mileena in this case , but only because her sweeps are more effective against Lui Kangs low fireballs...now anyone could argue this but understand that this alone gives her the edge she needs. In 90% of fights when i land this match up and im Mileena , players always get caught with sweeps after a missed low firball. Yes Lui Kang has other methods of winning with multiple bike kicks and such , but trust me Mileena has an answer for everything Lui Kang throws at her.)

EXAMPLE#2: Jax vs Lui Kang ( I prefer Lui Kang here but again if your talking about 2 equally skilled players going at it... Lui Kang can spam all day with fireballs ,but does this mean hes winning? Nope. Eventually Lui Kang has to try a kick special and he better pray it connects cuz if not , guess what? Jax will punish Lui Kang and easily get away with at least 30 to 50 % health damage if played right. Its a good fight but in the end Jax Wins.)


 
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« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2010, 10:08:30 AM »

My tier list is pretty much what Foozer wrote. However in the arcade things were alot different. I remember Raiden being down towards the bottom near Reptile which i never understood Huh? Its definetly determined with how much vulnerbility a character is left after a missed special IMO. Ninjas lose a ton of health due to missed specials and thats what ranks them so low. A missed spear can cost Scorpion an uppercut or even worse , a missed slide can cost Reptile and Sub Zero an upper cut and likewise even worse. Again someone can say " what about a blocked Mileena roll?' well this is true but Mileena's moves come out much faster than any ninja and are alot more unpredictable. Same with Lui Kang.
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« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2010, 10:18:06 AM »

My tier list is pretty much what Foozer wrote. However in the arcade things were alot different. I remember Raiden being down towards the bottom near Reptile which i never understood Huh? Its definetly determined with how much vulnerbility a character is left after a missed special IMO. Ninjas lose a ton of health due to missed specials and thats what ranks them so low. A missed spear can cost Scorpion an uppercut or even worse , a missed slide can cost Reptile and Sub Zero an upper cut and likewise even worse. Again someone can say " what about a blocked Mileena roll?' well this is true but Mileena's moves come out much faster than any ninja and are alot more unpredictable. Same with Lui Kang.
Not only special moves, but you also have to take into consideration the character's normal moves. Ninjas can't jab pressure, can't anti-air uppercut very well and their jump-kicks get demolished by basically every player. They do have the second best roundhouses for anti-air in my opinion though, and this alone makes them great turtles. That enables them to hold their own against any player #4-12 in the tier list I wrote above.
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« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2010, 02:01:10 PM »

My tier list would go like this:

1. Mileena
2. Jax
3. Liu Kang
4. Kitana
5. Kung Lao
6. Shang
7. Scorpion
8. Raiden
9. Sub-Zero
10. Johnny Cage
11. Baraka
12. Reptile

Scorpion over raiden for sure for #7; Raiden to #8 over Johnny Cage; Jonny Cage to #10 based on his normals and an ineffective shadow uppercut, sub-zero is a much better character; Baraka to #11
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« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2010, 02:51:38 PM »

DVD, do you really think that shang is only one spot above scorpion? Think about shang's jab pressure, jump kicks, aaHKs(he can aaHK Baraka's jump kick), fast sweeps, fireball spamming capabilities, and I know not many people consider this when ranking him in the tier list, but the fact is that he can morph into any character.
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